Does this season prove that the "and one" system would fail ?

RetroVK

This claim is disputed
If there was an "And One" or "plus one" or whatever you want to call it.... ..... who gets the invite to play lsu ???

would it have been georgia ( team that i currently believe to be the best in nation) , or USC ???

add in the fact that if oklahoma had beaten wvu that they too would have legit claim to the plus one and you can see how that system just wouldnt work either.

playoff please. please.
 
Grats on the national title btw blue chip.

now if you can just avoid the usc people trying to claim it like they did a few years ago ........
 
I think it's interesting that the teams thrown around are USC and Georgia, while Kansas, in a BCS conference, finishes the season with 1-loss but they're getting no run.

Is their 1 loss to Missouri worse than any of the other teams two losses, especially USC's?

The whole thing that stinks to me is trying to subjectively compare wins and losses to determine #1. It's impossible.
 
There is no definitive answer. I think the conferences need some sort of playoff structure and definitive champion and then use the BCS to measure the strongest conferences. Have the winners of the strongest conference play eachother. This year for me it would be SEC Champ vs Pac -10 Champ which is perfect since I think LSU vs USC would be the matchup. With WVU and Mizzouri in the running say playing for 3 vs 4. They would need to give more meaning to finishing in the Top 10 spots in the country at the end of the year. Georgia , Kansas , OU and Ohio State are in the second tier of teams IMO. I may have missed someone..What kills CFB is the scheduling its tough to make fair comparisions. Just a thought. I know there are flaws in my theory..
 
USC was the best team this year imo. They did not deserve entry due to how the system is run, but had they played any team in a bowl game, it is my oppinion they would have won by double digits.
 
Well this from UGA



Georgia president: Schools need to regain control of postseason

ESPN.com news services
Updated: January 8, 2008, 10:26 AM ET

The president of the University of Georgia is calling for an eight-team playoff system for college football's top division, saying the Bowl Championship Series -- which left Georgia out of its championship game -- has become a "beauty contest largely stage-managed by the networks."



In a public statement and a letter to NCAA president Myles Brand, Georgia president Michael F. Adams, who is also chairman of the NCAA executive committee, called for an eight-team playoff to decide the national championship, with the opening rounds to be played in the four major BCS bowl games. He proposed the change be made as soon as the contracts that govern the BCS expire.


Adams was scheduled to hold a news conference Tuesday afternoon to discuss the proposal. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution first reported that Adams would support a playoff.

"This year's experience with the BCS forces me to the conclusion that the current system has lost public confidence and simply does not work," Adams said in news release. "It is undercutting the sportsmanship and integrity of the game."

Georgia did not win its division of the Southeastern Conference and did not play in that league's title game, but was widely regarded as one of the best teams in the nation as the college football season closed. The Bulldogs went to the Sugar Bowl instead of the BCS Championship Game, where some beleived the team belonged.

Adams did not directly address that outcome in his letter or his statement. But he did claim that the BCS system suffered from built-in conflicts of interest involving the major sports conferences and the television networks.

Under his proposal, the schedule would return to 11 games from its current 12, with playoffs beginning at the major bowl games and extending two more Saturdays.

Under his proposal, a selection committee would seed eight teams to the four major bowls.

"If one of those bowls chooses not to participate, another game could be found to fill the void," he said.

Adams is the second SEC member president to advocate a playoff in the past year. Last year, University of Florida president James Bernard Machen -- whose Gators played in the BCS Championship Game and won the title -- said the time had come for a playoff system, but backed down from his position after conferring with his fellow SEC presidents.

Adams acknowledged that he has long opposed a playoff system, largely for academic reasons and because the season is already too long. However, he said in his letter to Brand that he was "troubled about the commercial influence over how the college football season is played out." He said it is time for the NCAA's member institutions to regain control over the college football postseason -- control he said is now concentrated in the hands of the television networks, the major conferences and the bowl commissioners.

"The television networks ... have grown too powerful in deciding who plays and when they play, and indeed, whom they hire to coach," Adams wrote in his letter to Brand. "The Bowl Championship Series has become a beauty contest largely stage-managed by the networks, which in turn protect the interests of their own partner conferences.

"The situation may not quite rise to the level of collusion, but it leaves an air of dissatisfaction with the fans of most institutions, even as they celebrate successful seasons," Adams wrote to Brand. "I believe the time has come for the NCAA to take control of the college football postseason, and in so doing to create a system that our players, coaches, friends and fans can support and appreciate."

"Colleges need to regain ownership of their football teams," Adams added in his letter to Brand. "While much has been made of the unique nature of the Football Bowl Subdivision [formerly Division I-A], the fact is that the networks and conferences exercise much more control over the football teams at this level then the institutions that sponsor them. Reorienting the national football championship is an important step in managing a model that benefits students, institutions and our constituents."

Adams said he would regret the football season extending into the spring semester, but noted that only four teams would be involved and before most schools return from the winter holiday break.

On Monday, Atlantic Coast Conference Commissioner John Swofford and SEC Commissioner Mike Slive said the ACC, SEC, Big East and Big 12 are open to a "plus-one" Final Four format in which the top four teams would be selected and seeded.

"In our conference, there's much more open-mindedness about the plus-one than there was two years ago. There's an interest in it ... and a willingness to discuss it in full," Swofford said.

The BCS is in the second of a four-year, $320 million contract with Fox that runs through the 2009 season and 2010 bowls. The BCS will begin negotiating with Fox on another deal in the fall. Fox has exclusive negotiating rights with the BCS.

The Football Championship Subdivision (formerly Division I-AA), Division II and Division III all have a postseason playoff.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this story.

Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3186232
 
Maybe schools should stop scheduling there own opponents and let an independent group do so. So there is none of this we wont schedule certain schools. The goal would be leveling of the non conference schedule for the big time colleges.
 
USC was the best team this year imo. They did not deserve entry due to how the system is run, but had they played any team in a bowl game, it is my oppinion they would have won by double digits.

That Ludacris. There are a number of teams that can hang with USC, for god sakes they lost to a 41 point underdog. Teams that could challenge USC.

1. LSU
2. Georgia
3. Mizzouri
4. Kansas
5. STANFORD
6. WVU

Or any team with an explosive offense.
 
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any team that can man up with them in the trenches on D and contain their power running game in addition to having a balanced offense has a chance.
 
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who the hell did they play?

Why are they suddenly so damn great.

Talent wise sure they are the best.
LSU won that title last year its on the third shelf on the back oh snap wait only ESPN annointed us with that trophy nevermind.
 
That Ludacris. There are a number of teams that can hang with USC, for god sakes they lost to a 41 point underdog. Teams that could challenge USC.

1. LSU
2. Georgia
3. Mizzouri
4. Kansas
5. STANFORD
6. WVU

Or any team with an explosive offense.

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We'll NEVER have a playoff as long as a**holes like this are running things:

Ohio State President Gordon Gee, don't even mention revising the current system to him. You do, and the guy in the bow tie gets downright graphic.
"As far as a playoff system, there will not be one," Gee said. "They'll have to wrench a playoff system out of my cold, dead hands."

IMO...another reason to LOVE tOSU getting their asses run in two straight NC games...:cheers:

Mully :tiphat:
 
if you look at that game you will see two completely different halves. after booty's injury he they had 5 turnovers in the 2H. 4 ints, and I think Stanford only scored off these turnovers in the 2H. He had no turnoevers in the first and USC was up 9-0. The last couple years they have outpreformed the team they are playing in the 2nd half almost all the time. take out this loss and they have the best resume in the nation by far. Loss at Oregon during their title push with Dixon..... I am not saying they are the champs this year, I am saying from top to bottom the best team at the end of the year is imo USC.
 
if you look at that game you will see two completely different halves. after booty's injury he they had 5 turnovers in the 2H. 4 ints, and I think Stanford only scored off these turnovers in the 2H. He had no turnoevers in the first and USC was up 9-0. The last couple years they have outpreformed the team they are playing in the 2nd half almost all the time. take out this loss and they have the best resume in the nation by far. Loss at Oregon during their title push with Dixon..... I am not saying they are the champs this year, I am saying from top to bottom the best team at the end of the year is imo USC.

What about Dixon? Got hurt season over
What about White? Pitt doesnt beat WVU if he is healthy
and on and on and on and on

its football its not coochie cleaning - which your cheerleaders could use
players get hurt every year and teams with depth (which USC has boasted they had the best for a decade now) keep plugging along and dont make excuses or depend on 4 letter networks to get them airtime for being good when healthy.

Dorsey - hit with a BLATANT illegal chop block hurt 2nd half of season
Alexander - ACL out for season
Doucet - high ankle sprain - missed half the season
Flynn - high ankle sprain/shoulder/sprained chainsaw penis
the list goes on for days. Beckwith getting hurt really impacted us too.

Thats 2 First Round draft picks and our starting QB hurt more of the season than not. If you didnt have a pussy with the last name BOOTY from a long line of pussies named BOOTY at QB you could make another excuse. How USC they deepest team in the history of college sports can use injuries as their excuse this season is beyond me. Blame your coach for leaving a hurt player in to play. Blame something that shows some personal credibility rather than throwing this same tired IFs and BUTTS story we have heard a million times.

LSU WANTS TO PLAY USC trust us.

But we never will because then the truth would come out and then what would ESPN have to talk about.
 
Yeah the OSU president has had his team in the championship 2 straight years under the current system (results predictable). It is working great for his outfit.

Gotta do 8 team play-off (6 bcs and 2 at large) or auto berth for conferences with 12 teams and 5 at large. Hopefully an attempt to get Big 11, Pac 10 and Big East to add teams or be possibly left out of playoff.
 
Sportsnut - I think the 2'nd best conference was easily the Big 12. 8 bowl teams to Pac 10's 6. The Big 12 4'th team handily beats the co champ of Pac 10 in a bowl. And Big 12 actually had 4 teams of Top 10 finishers not even the SEC can claim that. Results on field show Big 12.
 
Sportsnut - I think the 2'nd best conference was easily the Big 12. 8 bowl teams to Pac 10's 6. The Big 12 4'th team handily beats the co champ of Pac 10 in a bowl. And Big 12 actually had 4 teams of Top 10 finishers not even the SEC can claim that. Results on field show Big 12.

Its debatable certainly. I thought it was a tough call either way. The Pac -10 struggled late due to injuries but I guess you cant overlook that. Oregon , UCLA , and CAL really underperformed due to injuries( even ASU with Carpenters thumb).

The Big 12 looks strong with Mizzou , Oklahoma, Texas and Kansas but there next tier was unimpressive to me Okie State , Tex Tech being all offense teams with little defense and A&M and Colorado.

The Pac -10 had the big three USC , Oregon and Cal but the latter two just dealt with to many injuries. There 2nd tier of ASU , Oregon State , UCLA would hold up versus the Big 12 tier.

Personally the Top 5 teams would be ( no order)USC , Oregon w/ Dixon , LSU , Mizzou and WVU.

Clearly the Big 12 is there and there would have to be some way to figure out a 12 team league vs a 10 team league. If it matters I had them as my #3 conference. I think you make a good point about the play on the field. I really think there needs to be some standarization of schedules though. Everyone plays 11 reg season games. There should be 3 or 4 non conference games ...

But the end there is no right way. Maybe the top 8 highest ranked conference winners get a shot plus 2 wild card conferences. I dont know....
 
I think I have beat this point into the ground over the past year on this site but I will do it again. Any playoff system would have to include every conference champion including the sun belt, for obvious reasons.
 
Wowie, why all the love for the Georgia Bulldogs????

Do we seriously forget that they didn't even WIN THEIR SIDE OF THE SEC????????

They didn't play for the SEC title game, Tennessee did.....

What it boils down to it the preseason ranking....Once you start high, your good to go, barring rediculous upset (USC v Stanford).......Georgia started with a good ranking, plain and simple, and they beat a Hawaii team who didn't show up expecting to win.
 
I think I have beat this point into the ground over the past year on this site but I will do it again. Any playoff system would have to include every conference champion including the sun belt, for obvious reasons.

Why though? The NCAAB tourney doesnt provide everyone with an automatic bid? Let the weaker conferences play eachother for entrance ..
 
People give too much weight to teams playing well at the end of the season. The nat'l title is meant to be awarded to the team that played the best THROUGHOUT the season AND played well when it counted most. Take away the public and Lee Corso's obsession with momentum, and you are left with LSU, Ohio St, and OU as the only viable candidates (and Kansas if you so wish although I disagree).
 
What did Ohio State and OU do during the regular season that seperated them? USC is much better then both programs. Bradford is to young for the big game and Ohio State did what again? Just like LSU the Trojans had there injuries and in fact I think they are better then LSU but thats another arguement. Shit happens losing to Stanford was about as big a fluke as you will ever see. Thats why this arguement never ends people se wayto many different variations of the same thing...and I am not even a big CFB fan...
 
i think the ncaa basketball tourney pretty much does ensure that the conference winner or conference tournament winner of each conference gets a bid.

To me ..... there has to be a way that a sunbelt team can win a national title. otherwise they are just a sidekick ... why bother with them at all. What if the best team in the nation is in the sunbelt??? we would never know. Sports are supposed to be decided on the field of play. Maybe the sunbelt team will just be an easy out for someone in the first round ( much like the #1 vs # 16 seeds in each of the four regions in the basketball tournament. The point is .... in the ncaa the ivy league champion has a chance to win the tournament. Go out and win your games. In college football , the sunbelt teams .... the CUSA teams , the MWC teams ( see utah ) , the WAC teams ( see boise st ) , and the MAC teams are eliminated before a down is played every year ..... to me that is the antithesis of sport.

My post bowl power rankings made Georgia the best team at seasons end. But as far as a playoff is concerned , florida atlantic deserves a playoff spot more than georgia.

Conference champions automatically getting a spot eliminates the whole ... this conference is strong debate ... or this schedule is tougha nd that one is easy debate. Want to be the national champion then just win your conference and then the playoffs. if you cant win your conference, any claim to the national title should fall on deaf ears. I would certainly be open to at large bids AFTER all the conference champions were guaranteed spots.

Or we can just decide this is ice skating , or a beauty contest and just decide who the best teams are ....... but someday the best team might be in one of the lesser conferences and we will never know ... in fact....... it may have already happened. prove it on the field.
 
What did Ohio State and OU do during the regular season that seperated them? USC is much better then both programs. Bradford is to young for the big game and Ohio State did what again? Just like LSU the Trojans had there injuries and in fact I think they are better then LSU but thats another arguement. Shit happens losing to Stanford was about as big a fluke as you will ever see. Thats why this arguement never ends people se wayto many different variations of the same thing...and I am not even a big CFB fan...

What did USC do that seperated them? Besides make excuses and have ESPN giving them 24/7 excuse coverage.
 
What did USC do that seperated them? Besides make excuses and have ESPN giving them 24/7 excuse coverage.

have you not read anything, they have 2 losses ok.

1 loss: to Stanford. they go in to the half up 9-0. I think that is in control of the game, they are a waaaaaay better team then Stanford. They are a second half team the last couple years, and they very often out preform even small dogs in the 2nd half, needless to say Stanford.

2nd half: Booty comes back out with a busted hand that put him out for a couple games including the next one, so it was pretty serious. USC had no turnovers in the 1st half. In the 2nd they had 5 turnovers all on passing plays, 4 INTS and they only scored off these turnovers some of them (I believe 2, were taken straight back for scores). That imo is the biggest injury for any team this year, just because it directly kept them out of the National title game.

and then their 2nd loss: At Oregon when Oregon had dixon. It is still a loss but that is one of the better losses out there if you can say that.

I dont speak for sportsnut but I am not saying that USC was the champion this year, LSU won the national Title game. BTW I am not a USC fan either. I think the SEC was easily the best conference, but USC was the best team imo.
 
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