*** Conference Semifinals Discussion ***

B.A.R. said:
Wild game the other night from Jerome.

Game 1 was an off one as well.

He shot 52.6% this year from the field!
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But they get paid for what they can in the postseason ;)
Nothing against him, but only Alpha on the team can put up that many shots on a bad night and Jerome ain't him...
 
divol said:
But they get paid for what they can in the postseason ;)
Nothing against him, but only Alpha on the team can put up that many shots on a bad night and Jerome ain't him...
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He averaged 16.3 points per game on 52.4 percent shooting in the Miami series.
Efficiency wasn't great in Game 1 against Indy but it was close to Mitchell's and he had twice as many assists as Mitchell.

He finally had a bad game in Game 2. Now he doesn't deserve to be on an NBA roster because this doesn't happen to other players, too, eventually? Just so overblown. This guy is not getting paid as much as Hunter Tyson or Zeke Nnaji ffs, he was just supposed to play a tiny role. He has vastly exceeded expectations. His role in Cleveland is immense and well-deserved.

He is not supposed to be taking this many shots. I don't know why Cleveland's offense isn't moving more through Allen and Mobley. The same thing happened against Miami for some reason especially at the beginning of that series. Mitchell needs to shoot less, too, get those bigs more involved inside somehow. Not like Turner is a world-class rim protector.
 
VirginiaCavs said:
He averaged 16.3 points per game on 52.4 percent shooting in the Miami series.
Efficiency wasn't great in Game 1 against Indy but it was close to Mitchell's and he had twice as many assists as Mitchell.

He finally had a bad game in Game 2. Now he doesn't deserve to be on an NBA roster because this doesn't happen to other players, too, eventually? Just so overblown. This guy is not getting paid as much as Hunter Tyson or Zeke Nnaji ffs, he was just supposed to play a tiny role. He has vastly exceeded expectations. His role in Cleveland is immense and well-deserved.

He is not supposed to be taking this many shots. I don't know why Cleveland's offense isn't moving more through Allen and Mobley. The same thing happened against Miami for some reason especially at the beginning of that series. Mitchell needs to shoot less, too, get those bigs more involved inside somehow. Not like Turner is a world-class rim protector.
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Mate, I'm kidding. Obviously out of 500+- NBA players, he is not the worst. But you kinda proving my point... He shot in Game 1 almost the same amount of shots as Mitchell... Mitchell the superstar of the team, Ty came off the bench. I understand if he was red hot, but he was very mediocre.
Btw, I hated when even Kobe (RIP) did it, but I can kind of understand that from megastars, since you need to be in flow of the game if you want to make those shots when it counts. What's his accuse to shoot the same number of shots as Mobley and Allen combined or more almost twice as both starting guards (Strus and Merrill). Game two he was ice cold. Be humble - try to find better spots, focus on feeding your teammates. If there is one thing that NBA has in bundles is gunners and how many managed to build a career out of this? He reminds me of Clarkson for example...
 
divol said:
Mate, I'm kidding. Obviously out of 500+- NBA players, he is not the worst. But you kinda proving my point... He shot in Game 1 almost the same amount of shots as Mitchell... Mitchell the superstar of the team, Ty came off the bench. I understand if he was red hot, but he was very mediocre.
Btw, I hated when even Kobe (RIP) did it, but I can kind of understand that from megastars, since you need to be in flow of the game if you want to make those shots when it counts. What's his accuse to shoot the same number of shots as Mobley and Allen combined or more almost twice as both starting guards (Strus and Merrill). Game two he was ice cold. Be humble - try to find better spots, focus on feeding your teammates. If there is one thing that NBA has in bundles is gunners and how many managed to build a career out of this? He reminds me of Clarkson for example...
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But in Game 1 he added just about as much as Mitchell in terms of efficiency and assists. In Game 2 he shot a lot while cold, yes, but he's been a better scorer certainly than Merrill and a more consistent scorer than Strus. Mobley was out as well as Garland, so who else was there to take shots? He's definitely a better scorer than Okoro. Cleveland is banged-up now and it's bad timing that Jerome was also cold without Mobley, Garland, or Hunter available to take shots.
 
VirginiaCavs said:
Oh wow, as Spek noted, Cavs went from -2.5 to -5
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Are they really gonna go down 0-3? NBA been fucjing up my baseball mojo. Hockey has luckily been more in on script. Of course I say that but I got stung hard live betting Vegas every time oilers scored, I was sure Vegas would get the split at home, I think they actually tied and lost in ot luckily I feel asleep before I bankrupted myself! lol. I did at least hit some of Boston role players when they lost 2md at home but it hurt a bit. Luckily okc actually did their jobs and I did get the dogs to start the series. Just don’t expect to see favs like this dump 2 straight. As long as Cavs healthy tonight I think they win this but not sure what I think means much. Lol

I played Mobley ov 15.5 points cause I feel like they need him badly.

Mathurun ov 10.5 points cause he been fantastic, love his game and now they back home where roll players tend to play better.

And haliburton ov 9.5 dimes cause again back home I expect his passes to find the bottom the net more at home. Not sure these props are making a great case for Cavs? Despite the fact I don’t really think they can prevent haliburton from either getting to rim or distributing I thinj this is probably a really high scoring matchup and offense gonna have to win this. I really like pacers but having a hard time seeing Cavs fall down to 3-0. Maybe poor logic?
 
In the late game so far just

Murray ov 20.5 points

No clue who wins, I think they split honestly which prob means I should nr playing Denver in the ml, they didn’t have to lose last game by so much! Lol. Anyways the way I see it the only way they winning is if Murray is playoff Murray here, they could win or lose and he hit this number, barring a blowout which unfortunately is the biggest problem in nba now, everything runs and blowouts with all the 3 point dependence! Regardless this the bet I trust the most in this game.
 
These are very minimal line moves for the home teams. We usually see 8 point swings.

Cavs go from 8.5-9 to 5.5? Basically 3-3.5 move.

Thunder go from 10.5 to 5.5 - only 5.

C's only going down about 5, too.

Obviously the must win spot for the teams down 0-2 is showing.
 
CryptoWhale said:
Agree to disagree. IMO the Knicks prob have the best shot of upsetting Boston. The C’s were not that impressive against Miami until the last game not to mention the amount of injuries they are having with their top three studs.
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Goodnight Boston. Struggles continue as noted in the first series. Unfortunately Knicks have a little more firepower to close it out. Brown and Holiday were meh this series when the C’s needed their big three.
 
CryptoWhale said:
Goodnight Boston. Struggles continue as noted in the first series. Unfortunately Knicks have a little more firepower to close it out. Brown and Holiday were meh this series when the C’s needed their big three.
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Yeah, Brown pretty blah this series overall.

This might be his last few games in Boston.

Full rebuild with the injury?
 
B.A.R. said:
Yeah, Brown pretty blah this series overall.

This might be his last few games in Boston.

Full rebuild with the injury?
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Kind of mind blowing that a rebuild is suddenly in the cards. Imagine someone saying that after the title last year? Sure they were always going to have to make some tough decisions this off-season but now…dunno
 
B.A.R. said:
Yeah, Brown pretty blah this series overall.

This might be his last few games in Boston.

Full rebuild with the injury?
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I read an article saying they break about even cash wise with an annual payroll way up there in 2nd apron. Was fine for former owners who paid like 500m for the team. But new owners paid 6B for team so they might NOT keep it together if not winning the championship. Need a better ROI. Will be interesting
 
lvmike32 said:
I read an article saying they break about even cash wise with an annual payroll way up there in 2nd apron. Was fine for former owners who paid like 500m for the team. But new owners paid 6B for team so they might NOT keep it together if not winning the championship. Need a better ROI. Will be interesting
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Yeah, read this article as well. Don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing. It's not just the money. Being in 2nd apron bring restrictions that any team will have a hard time staying within them for a long time.
Key Restrictions for Second Apron Teams
Loss of Mid-Level Exception (MLE): Teams cannot use the taxpayer mid-level exception (worth $5.168 million in 2024-25) to sign free agents. They are limited to signing players to veteran minimum contracts only.
Trade Restrictions: No Salary Aggregation: Teams cannot combine multiple players' salaries to trade for a single player with a higher salary (e.g., trading two players earning $10M and $15M for a player earning $25M).
100% Salary Matching: Teams cannot take back more salary in a trade than they send out (limited to 100% of outgoing salary, compared to 125% for non-taxpayer teams).
No Trade Exceptions: Teams cannot use trade exceptions generated from prior years.
No Cash in Trades: Teams are prohibited from sending cash as part of trade deals.
No Sign-and-Trade Acquisitions: Teams cannot acquire players via sign-and-trade deals if the incoming salary keeps them above the second apron.
Frozen Future Picks: Teams cannot trade their first-round draft pick seven years in the future (e.g., the 2032 pick in 2024-25).
Pick Relegation: If a team remains above the second apron for three out of five seasons, their first-round pick seven years out is automatically moved to the end of the first round, regardless of team performance.
Buyout Market Restrictions:
Teams cannot sign players waived during the regular season if their pre-waiver salary exceeded the non-taxpayer mid-level exception ($12.822 million in 2024-25). This prevents adding high-salary players from the buyout market.
 
I feel it's bad if because of this rule, player can't stay in his team. I mean imagine Kobe or Michael being forced to be traded, not because they or the team want them to leave, but because to stay competitive, they must lower their salary cap...
Imagine Celtics or Lakers in the 80s (yeah, I know both teams combined made less than Conley in one year) being forced to give core players...
Even chances are great, but when we talk about connection between players and their fan base, I would hope that a league won't try to force trades...
It's not like Celtics unbeatable and must be dismantled for the good of the league...
 
divol said:
I feel it's bad if because of this rule, player can't stay in his team. I mean imagine Kobe or Michael being forced to be traded, not because they or the team want them to leave, but because to stay competitive, they must lower their salary cap...
Imagine Celtics or Lakers in the 80s (yeah, I know both teams combined made less than Conley in one year) being forced to give core players...
Even chances are great, but when we talk about connection between players and their fan base, I would hope that a league won't try to force trades...
It's not like Celtics unbeatable and must be dismantled for the good of the league...
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Bottom line is u have to hit home runs on the players u give max contracts too or ur screwed. I know Tatum and Brown are max. Other starters all in 30s or more. I think it was reasonable to run it back with those guys. This series has been a fluke somewhat. Should be 2 2 at worst and Tatum tough break. But it can and has changed quickly. When it goes south it goes quick. Be hard to trade any of those starters with their deals.
 
lvmike32 said:
Bottom line is u have to hit home runs on the players u give max contracts too or ur screwed. I know Tatum and Brown are max. Other starters all in 30s or more. I think it was reasonable to run it back with those guys. This series has been a fluke somewhat. Should be 2 2 at worst and Tatum tough break. But it can and has changed quickly. When it goes south it goes quick. Be hard to trade any of those starters with their deals.
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Yeah, I agree. But in general, any of the great teams we know, couldn't exist under new rules and I think it's a bit wrong.
 
I was just reading about aprons too. Interesting…OKC is a perfect example with a young 3 that 2 will be looking for deals. Penalizes the teams that draft well.

Also mentioned specifically the deal Jalen Brunson took in New York a short max 165 when he coulda waited and got like what 248 or 60. He’s young and it allows the Knicks to get really good
 
yeah so tough now. I think Boston did it right actually - Tatum and Brown are in their prime years - if you don't try 2nd apron with them who do you try with?? SA coming up with Wemby/Castle/Flagg assuming they all grow as expected. Again, make a mistake on a max and it will kill you. For example, I don't think Chet on OKC is a max player at all but I bet he'll get it.
 
divol said:
Yeah, I agree. But in general, any of the great teams we know, couldn't exist under new rules and I think it's a bit wrong.
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What I don’t get is as you said above it clearly not like Celtics were a unbeatable super team, they were beat before Tatum got hurt last night and I don’t buy they were coming back from down 3-1 just cause their style and it inevitable they shoot it poorly from 3 at least 1 of these games. Sure we have a handful of god awful teams throughout the league but that always been the case far as I can remember. I don’t even think it questionable the playoffs and amount of teams that could potentially win it all has increased by a pretty big number over the last decade. since KD left golden state there hasn’t really been any no brainer lead pipe locks to make the finals. That freaking awful playoff Jimmy Heat team made it to the finals before thankfully nuggets smashed them! Before this stretch when in our lifetimes has the nba felt so wide open? When I started watching in mid-late 80s it was basically lakers, Celtics, also the bad boy pistons then it was everyone else. We know how the 90s went, the teams in west were all playing to get beat by Jordan. After that spurs and then lakers got Shaq and there wasn’t much hope for many other teams.

The on court product is what they need to be worrying about, to me the fact half these playoff games are totally unwatchable is a way bigger issue than competitive balance. I don’t recall turning off so many games or even if I try watching the teams themselves checking out in 4th cause the game already decided, that the freaking issue!
 
I was thinking of going back to the well on Braun tonight with the PRA but that # is actually up 1 overall.

Again, role players at home always receive more of a look from myself.
 
Knicks getting very short line in Game 6. Would assume that they don't want to be back in Boston for Game 7. Losing this series can be really be destructive for the Knicks - with the way it developed. Over makes sense, since Boston need to push up the pace without Tatum, but after such easy Over in Game 5 + elimination game - really hard to take Over here (for me at least). Knicks got value, but Boston has great record with Tatum + laying points not that appealing. Would love to see even money on Knicks here - so maybe hope as always - that Celtics start strong and give good odds on the Knicks live beting.
 
divol said:
Knicks getting very short line in Game 6. Would assume that they don't want to be back in Boston for Game 7. Losing this series can be really be destructive for the Knicks - with the way it developed. Over makes sense, since Boston need to push up the pace without Tatum, but after such easy Over in Game 5 + elimination game - really hard to take Over here (for me at least). Knicks got value, but Boston has great record with Tatum + laying points not that appealing. Would love to see even money on Knicks here - so maybe hope as always - that Celtics start strong and give good odds on the Knicks live beting.
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i took o208.5/209.5 at open. i never like taking overs in elimination games but Boston's pace picks up and defense suffers without Tatum and KP
 
divol said:
We are very close to getting 3/3 on upsets 😂
Wonder what are the odds if one took Pacers, Knicks and Denver to win their series combined...
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It’s weird but I don’t feel like nuggets that close. The extra rest might be huge for their 5.5 man team tho!
 
2daBank said:
It’s weird but I don’t feel like nuggets that close. The extra rest might be huge for their 5.5 man team tho!
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They do get a 3 point line adjustment from Game 5... not sure if that's telling or not or the books just expect to get a ton of Nuggets $$ coming off of the last couple of games.
 
Inspekdah said:
They do get a 3 point line adjustment from Game 5... not sure if that's telling or not or the books just expect to get a ton of Nuggets $$ coming off of the last couple of games.
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I think just the extra day rest considering how much starters playing has to be worth something, then nugs have the experience edge in this kind of game also, plus even tho they damn near blew the +10 in game 5 for most the game that line felt redic high. Couldn’t say if it telling cause I think overall the circumstances are better for nuggets but not sure how many points any those things I mentioned are worth? Lol
 
2daBank said:
I think just the extra day rest considering how much starters playing has to be worth something, then nugs have the experience edge in this kind of game also, plus even tho they damn near blew the +10 in game 5 for most the game that line felt redic high. Couldn’t say if it telling cause I think overall the circumstances are better for nuggets but not sure how many points any those things I mentioned are worth? Lol
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Also helps that they have an identity on offense. Just get the ball to Joker. Doesn’t seem to me Thunder have a go to plan other than iso Shai and hoping their 3s fall.
 
One thing annoys me about Knicks - Boston game. It was over pretty fast. Yet somehow, Knicks starters, that have ECF before them, played (much) more minutes than Celtics starters that have nothing to save themselves for this season...
I realize there is enough time till Game 1 of ECF, but why Thibs insists to wear out his players and risk an injury in garbage time is something I can't understand...
 
Gordon is questionable for tonight's game. Probably even doubtful... If he is out or plays just to play - Denver will have really hard time...
 
This season, teams that won closeout games, are 9 - 2 ATS and Game 7 so far are 2 - 0 (Denver and GSW). Don't know if any of this matters for our Game 7 tonight, just was curious and decided to check :)
 
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