Can we please talk about WVU vs. USF

[betdahouse]

Okay so I understand that USF is finally legit. This is a squad that is, unlike WVU, versitale both on offense AND DEFENSE. I think thats what its all about tonight. WVU couldnt play pee wee defense. And yet I still feel like WVU is gonna put up enough points to where its not gonna matter what the defense plays like. I have to say this -7 point spread seems to be spot on and I am completely lost as far as which pick to take. But i gotta take one of them...need the action. SPEAK YOUR WORD

 

[bjorks]

It is spot on. The only way i touch this is if I play a tease with the total, USF has a lot of confidence after winning last year and has the type of defense that could slow down White/Slaton.

May look at playing a small bet on the USF ML as I really feel they could win this SU.

 

[E.T.G.]

USF is fast enough on defense to slow down WVU. I think the spread is right on too and I could see a few reasons to play either side tonight which means I will be sitting on the sidelines. This is such a big revenge game for WVU but at the same time, USF is a team who is dying for the spotlight and they will try to seize the moment. If anything, watch the 1st half and make a play on the second. WVU has started the yr slow in the 1st half so maybe a USF first half play.

 

[Pincher]

Don't choose a side at all, seems to me, the real value is in the over (54)...

GL

 

[E.T.G.]

Don't choose a side at all, seems to me, the real value is in the over (54)...

GL

I was actually thinking Under 56.6 myself

 

[frankiegotti]

I agree givin history of previous matchups and the seniority of the USF defense.

 

[AgainstThePublic]

USF will win SU. We all know the history about this being USF's biggest game so I won't get into the intangibles. WVU is a beast but they can be beat. A lot of people are making WVU seem like an unbeatable team. Yes they have a ton of talent and it will be difficult for USF to contain all four studs WVU has on the offensive side of the ball. This is probably the best defense WVU will face all season except maybe Cin. WVU doesn't have that bad of a defense. I feel both teams really haven't been tested too much with the slight edge in schedule to this point going to USF. If USF gives up an early score to WVU, it could very well be a long game. The key IMO is the 1st quarter. USF needs to make a statement on both sides of the ball. Everybody thinks this is going to be a shootout but I wouldn't be surprised to see the defenses take over. USF is a well balanced, well coached team that will surprise tonight. USF has 3-5 potential NFL draft picks on the defensive side of the ball. USF will have to play a very disciplined run defense. USF is only allowing 11.5 points per game and 1.7 yards per carry. USF ranks 1st nationally on third down percentage defense. DE George Selvie leads the nation in sacks with 8.5. Williams and Jenkins are shut down cover corners and inside linebacker Ben Moffitt is the anchor on defense. He is the key tonight.

On offense, Matt Grothe isn't a Heisman Trophy candidate but he is a gamer which was evidenced in USF's OT win against Auburn a few weeks back. He was the Big East player of the year last year. He is a smart and mobile QB who will need to limit his mistakes to keep the ball out of WVU's offense hands. This is where the most important play on the field tonight IMO will be Mike Ford. He will need to have a big game by rushing the football through the teeth of the WVU defense to keep the WVU offense off the field. Ford does have the ability to break long runs as well. As far as receiving, USF has tall and lanky receivers that should take advantage of the smaller corners for WVU.

All in all, this should be a battle. I am sticking to my guns and taking USF +7 and a small ML play as well. USF wins 28-24.

 

[E.T.G.]

Ford is a player, that is for sure

 

[spanishshark]

WRONG!! The spread should be a PK, the points are a gift :4_12_13:

 

[silverbull271]

Its simple....it took 4 WV turnovers last year for USF to beat em (24 point dogs too) this year gonna be just a lil bit diff....WV is gonna score at will. I see a 42-13 typ victory

As always JMHO

GLTA

 

[chips t]

WVU is not overlookin this game, SF is not sneaking up on anyone one. Everyone knows they are good. WVU is a legit top 10 team, and I feel they have the best rush o in the nation. Im layin the 7. Revenge game.

 

[silverbull271]

WVU is not overlookin this game, SF is not sneaking up on anyone one. Everyone knows they are good. WVU is a legit top 10 team, and I feel they have the best rush o in the nation. Im layin the 7. Revenge game.

LETS DO THIS CHIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Zonacats]

something that hasn't been mentioned is that both Slaton and White were banged up in last year's loss.

Also, Rich Rodriquez is a perfect 9-0 ATS in conference revenge games

 

[bmifsud]

USF straight up? That is ridiculous. I'd be surprised if they kept it close. The sharp money is on WVU -7. Bottom line.

 

[Zonacats]

USF straight up? That is ridiculous. I'd be surprised if they kept it close. The sharp money is on WVU -7. Bottom line.

I wouldn't go as far as saying the 'sharp' money is on WVU.
I would argue it's the exact opposite.

Friday night lights, how do you not go with the home dog?

:cheers:

 

[bet 2 collect]

LOL, it seems the line is spot on if so many people are strongly opinionated on both sides.

 

[silverbull271]

LOL, it seems the line is spot on if so many people are strongly opinionated on both sides.

I agree....the line is PERFECT! WV-7 is EXACTLY what it shld be

 

[AgainstThePublic]

USF straight up? That is ridiculous. I'd be surprised if they kept it close. The sharp money is on WVU -7. Bottom line.

How is it ridiculous? Can't any team beat another team on any given day? WVU is a great team but definitely beatable. Don't understand why it's ridiculous especially when USF is at home on national TV in front of a sellout crowd for the 1st time in their history. Not saying that is the only reason but I do expect WVU to lose tonight. Call me crazy but that is what I see.

WVU may cover the spread like you said but how is the sharp money on WVU? Also 71% are on the Neers. GL with your play. :cheers:

 

[ClevelandsBest]

Laying points on the road during the week is usually not a good idea. Taking the over during the week usually not a good idea. Good luck

 

[betdahouse]

LOL. Well I have to say im extremely happy with all the responses I got on this thread, however, I think right now between everyone we have about 50/50 on each side. SO you guys arent making it too easy on me but still appreciate it all. Think im gonna go small ML on USF. GL to all and my suggestion after all that ive read......dont go big on this game

 

[rufus1966]

don't have a clue either way myself.gonna be a good one i think.

thanks for the discussions fellas.

this is what makes this site so helpful.good info and no bashing.

way to go............

 

[Lareux]

Cleveland's Best I am not sure what you are basing your opinion about the total on. You say taking the over is not a good idea during the week? Every Friday night game has gone over this year 3-0, both games went over last night and the Miami game went over last Thursday. Overall, on weekdays this year the over is 7-3. I would havc to disagree with your comments.

 

[E.T.G.]

Cleveland's Best I am not sure what you are basing your opinion about the total on. You say taking the over is not a good idea during the week? Every Friday night game has gone over this year 3-0, both games went over last night and the Miami game went over last Thursday. Overall, on weekdays this year the over is 7-3. I would havc to disagree with your comments.

AHH

I had erased that game from my memory until you brought it up!


:hang:

 

[ForzaAzzurri]

Take WVU -7, I am.

Everyone wants to see USF pull it out and seems most on here believe they will win. As I always say, I don't like reading into too much with games like this. But I seem to think WVU will have no problems. They seem to be a second half team and USF may run with them in the first half but wont gut it out for the entire game. Easy, easy win for WVU... but gawd I hate them.

Go TERPS! lol.

 

[hile75]

Yeah, takin USF tonite......Love the home field advantage tonite along with the intensity of the USF D

 

[chancedog]

I like USF to hang but they will need + on turn over ratio to win

 

[ClevelandsBest]

Cleveland's Best I am not sure what you are basing your opinion about the total on. You say taking the over is not a good idea during the week? Every Friday night game has gone over this year 3-0, both games went over last night and the Miami game went over last Thursday. Overall, on weekdays this year the over is 7-3. I would havc to disagree with your comments.

I base it on the fact that the public loves favorites and overs. So you get a team like WVU who the public thinks can score at will on a day when no other game is being played. Everyone feels the need to bet today so the books know they will get tons of action on the fav/over from the public. So what do they do? They inflate the spread and total. From what u posted it looks like it has been successful so far and that is good for the public. I would like to see the numbers by the end of the year if you keep track. Im guessing it will be completely different by then. Each year is a learning process for the books and bettors. Bettors usually have the adv early on. good luck with your plays

 

[gridironguy]

I think WVA -7 is a very sharp line. I don't see value either way on the side, and i don't like betting totals. I think is one where you sit back with a cold beverage in your hand, and just enjoy the game.

 

[Throwback420]

people are overlooking 1 thing. Last year WVU's defense was horrid they would give up points at will. This year they are so much better on D, improved alot, they are not one of the best in the country but they have really matured and got better.

Last year through their first four games they didint even have a sack. This year through four games they already have 15 sacks. Thats what you call improvement.

WVU's offense will get theirs. Its gonna be on if USF can keep up and Im betting they dont. This defense is coming off a revenge game with ECU only giving up 7 pts.

"It's going to be different this year," Devine promised.

 

[EDizzle]

Like Throwback said, WVU's offense will get theirs and their D is much improved over the last several years. The only worry is that WVU starts out slow, like they have several times this season. They could blow up in the second half. I'm prolly gonna take the over, and maybe buy the hook to -6.5.

Noel Devine could have a huge game in his homecoming to Florida. I cant wait to watch this game, it should be a good one.

 

[Throwback420]

Like Throwback said, WVU's offense will get theirs and their D is much improved over the last several years. The only worry is that WVU starts out slow, like they have several times this season. They could blow up in the second half. I'm prolly gonna take the over, and maybe buy the hook to -6.5.

Noel Devine could have a huge game in his homecoming to Florida. I cant wait to watch this game, it should be a good one.

Yeah Deving is gonna have alot of friends and family in the building. I expecting atleast 1 big play from the kid.

Another thing I left out last year Slaton and White were not 100% this year they are.

I bought my line to -6 when bookmaker had -6.5 up for a while.

Im gonna add a little more if the line drops if not add a little on -7

 

[slim5150]

as a huge wvu fan, this game is virtually unbettable for me. The motivational angles are a wash, basically, for each team (revenge vs. biggest game for program). So it is virtually pointless to debate those topics.

I feel fairly good that WVU wins this one. Possibly the fan in me talking, but there is one thing I come back to that makes me pause. Say WVu is up ten midway through the 4th having just scored. I feel that USF would be able to move the ball on that defense. I agree that they are better than last year, but only marginally.

That scenario keeps playing out in my head. Another thing I keep coming back to is, IMO, Rich rod has called a very boring, very basic offense in all the games this year. No flash, just pound it with the horses. Marshall game for instance, he kept trying to run up the middle, even though it bore no tangible results in the first half. Second half, the Herd was worn down, and a couple big runs got broken.

Basically I am trying to say I think Rod pulls a couple flashy flashy plays out of the bag tonight. SOmething the bulls won't be ready for since they haven't seen it yet.

Those turnovers int he red zone for the Mounties won't happen this year.

GO MOUNTIES!