Baseball guys help - I really like Marlins Over 75.5 Wins

Dmoney416

Ben Mauk's Counsel
I know this team is disturbingly young on offense, as Maybin and McPherson will be in the starting line-up here. I also they rely on raw power all too much, which makes them quite streaky (Uggla, Ross, Cantu).

However, I like Baker and Ramirez anchoring the line-up at 2 and 3, and Hermida can only improve his underwhelming career thus far.

Secondly, I love this pitching staff. I may get ripped for this, but I think they could be the best 1-5 rotation in the NL East by the end of the year. I tend to think that the Mets rotation is garbage after Santana. The Phils 3-5 of Moyer, Blanton, and Kenrdrick is less than inspiring. Jurrjens struggled late last year, and Kawakami and Glavine on the back end are questions. I actually like the prospects of Washington's rotation, but they are awfully young there at this point as well.

A big problem with this bet is that the MArlins have a very difficult interleague sched, facing the AL east (Rays twice).

Was wondering what others think about this team.
 
if the fish played a lick of defense i would like it. the catchers cant throw anyone out at second. first baseplay is shaky wether you have sanchez cantu or mcpherson playing first. my guess is cantu. hanley is an average defender, and third is a mystery do they start mcpherson who is an error machine or bonaficio who hasnt played 3rd much in the big leagues. The outfield will be much improved with Cam out in center hermida will be playing left and carrol or ross out in right.

Another question is the bullpen. I like lindstrom but can he stay healthy all season. besides pinto who else is going to be the other lefty out of the bullpen? tankersley is a 1st round bust.

Starting pitching as said above will have to carry this team.

The marlins will need to manufacture runs if they want win more than 76 games.. i would be surprised if they can
 
The Fish are a tough team to read. I love how they generally fight harder than most clubs. With some breaks it's not impossible for them to contend for the division. I like them better than the Braves but I think they'll need help to overcome Philadelphia or New York. Personally that number scares the hell out of me if I like the OVER after they won 84 last season.
 
I love it....but obviously I am a homer. Glad to see people giving the fish a little bit of respect.

I am not sure if this would be something to factor in but there is a vote coming up deciding on the dilemma of a new stadium. I would say at this point it doesn't necessarily look like the vote is going to pass. If that is the case, no new stadium means the end of the marlins in 2 years. Does this effect how the team plays? I'm not sure if it does but it is something to consider.
 
76-86 isn't asking too much i don't think, but you never know if they'll sell players off again
 
I'm already on it. Love Josh Johnson and Ricky Nolasco. Gammons thinks Johnson is a dark horse for the Cy Young this year. I think that besides the pitching staying healthy, Hermida is the key to this team. Hopefully this is the year he finally lives up to all that potential.

I think the Marlins hang around in the Wild Card race through the summer before falling out of it in September, and finish with around 81-83 wins.
 
The bullpen strength is the trouble here imo... They will relentlessly blow winnable games and rob great performances by the SP. Lindstrom throws hard as hell, but he doesnt stay healthy for long... He already aggravated something in ST...Look for the attrition to hit their pen... Besides that, I like the marlins offense..
 
While i made this 76 , i don't really like the bet because i think the division ( outside of the defending champions ) is much improved.

The ptiching staff is decent but is LOADED with guys who tend to get hurt so expecting them to last the season is wishful thinking. Not enough quality lefties either imo outside of andrew miller ( no more scott olsen who might have been their most consistent pitcher last year ). To win this bet they need a lot to go right.... pitching staff must stay healthy , all the youth you point out has to mature quickly BEFORE the allstar break --- mcpherson , sanchez , maybin ,,,,, meat of order has to overachieve for second straight year with baker , hanley and cantu. Even when those guys get on base you have to figure rally killing strikeouts from ross and hermida hurt this squads run production.

team was 14-3 (? ) or thereabouts against washington last year too and you can't expect that again especially when a bunch of those wins came from their best lefty scott olsen who now pitches for said nats.

mets are greatly improved.

jurrgens that you mentioned did wear down but that will happen when you go 6 or more for 13 straight starts in the middle of the year cause the manager has no bullpen to go to. could very well happen again but that lineup the braves sport is pretty formidable.

team has one of the toughest may schedules in baseball and interleague travel to toronto and from toronto to boston is just brutal for a florida based team especially with a lookahead to yankees at home. They get baltimore at home after that but that series is sandwiched between yanks and instate opponent. Doubt that interleague stretch in june is a good one for this team and if the phils and mets have played well from that point , the marlins may be too far out to care as much as we would like.

all that said , i did make this 76 ,,,, so i prefer the over to the under largely based on pitching and meat of order .... but i won't be playing it.

good luck if you do dmoney , it certainly can't be a really bad bet if that staff stays healthy ( unlikely i think though ).
 
VK, You think that the Mets are greatly improved?

Got a little beef with this statement. While I agree they that they undoubtedly helped their bullpen w/Putz and KRod, I think they still have a decent amount of question marks.

1. How's Johan's elbow?
2. Are Pelfrey, Maine and Ollie P going to pitch like the good portions or bad portions they both had last year.
3. What are reasonable expectations from the corner OF spots and C? Love Murphy and think he's got a good stick, but he's still unproven.
4. What's Delgado going to give you?

I don't hate the Marlins over here.....I'd personally stay away from it....I'm just not as impressed with the division overall.
 
VK, You think that the Mets are greatly improved?

Got a little beef with this statement. While I agree they that they undoubtedly helped their bullpen w/Putz and KRod, I think they still have a decent amount of question marks.

1. How's Johan's elbow?
2. Are Pelfrey, Maine and Ollie P going to pitch like the good portions or bad portions they both had last year.
3. What are reasonable expectations from the corner OF spots and C? Love Murphy and think he's got a good stick, but he's still unproven.
4. What's Delgado going to give you?

I don't hate the Marlins over here.....I'd personally stay away from it....I'm just not as impressed with the division overall.


make some valid points about mets concerns scarf. let me look at each and give my two cents.

1. Definite concern i think and i also think it was his worst year last year in a lot of respects considering he was a pitcher changing leagues which is usually an advantage. He lost some velocity last year and if he does struggle with elbow or any other ailment it certainly hurts this team.

2. Have no reason to think maine and pelfrey dont get better and the resigining of perez tells me something about what they think there. The fifth spot in the rotation is definitely a concern but if they struggle there , i think lefty niese can do some things for them --young live arm. whats not to like about pelfrey , maine and perez as 2-4 ???? very solid imo.

3. The bottom of that lineup could struggle a little bit but the mets have not had much problem producing runs and tatis is atleast a timely hitter. Never been a ryan church fan or brian schneider fan so i agree completely with you there. Thing here is that OF is the easiest pickup position in baseball come trade deadline time.

4. delgado is going to give them a lot i think and sandwiched between wright and celtran will give him hittable pitches to look at.


The weaknesses are far outweighed by the bullpen improvement which doesnt just mean more saves/lessblown saves but helps the starters with their mentality , durability , confidence and ability to throw hard best stuff early in games. No fear of the bullpen. You will see the same thing with angels pitching this year imo but the opposite direction ... starters will suffer from bullpen losses.
 
oh and i am not hating on the marlins over play at all ... just saying why i passed on it because i think thats the kind of stuff dmoney was looking for. like i said i made it 76.
 
Thanks for all the opinions everyone - appreciate it. Have a lot to mull over here still.

VK, we have a very different opinion of the Mets pitching staff. I think Pelfrey at the 2 spot is pretty laughable.

I tend to think K-Rod is overrated as well.
 
Thanks for all the opinions everyone - appreciate it. Have a lot to mull over here still.

VK, we have a very different opinion of the Mets pitching staff. I think Pelfrey at the 2 spot is pretty laughable.

I tend to think K-Rod is overrated as well.


k-rod maybe overrated but they are getting two american league high quality guys now pitching in that bullpen vs national league batters. The opponents won't have seen him and that is a huge edge for the pitcher in most cases.


The 2-4 of pelfrey ,maine , perez is solid imo. Just disagree there. why the hate on pelfrey who seemed to figure it out at the end of last year ??

last nine starts he basically averaged 7 innings per game , era just over 3 , whip around 1.2 and only blew up in one game and that may have been a weather game blowing out based on the total runs scored by both clubs in that game ( though i dont know that for sure ).
 
giggity whats happenin man? saw that the new stadium may pass players were excited. we shall see what happens
 
Mets biggest weakness was clearyl the bullpen and the 2 new additions are tremendous upgrades to what they had . I would guess the Mets lost 10 wins because of their inability to finish games last season. Side more with VK about Mike Pelfrey as well . Dont see why he cant repeat and continue to progress his season . Ollie Perez is both huge upside and huge risk because of his inconsistent pitching . John Maine could be a clear top of the rotation guy but the whispers are getting louder about his health . Think Johan should be fine and overall their rotation and team is solid . They essentially addressed their biggest weakness IMO .

Whole division has improved or at least teams have indivuals capable of improving off 2008 seasons.

I think the division is very competitive and should be interesting to see who can weather the storms . Not a fan of Marlins appettite for swinging and missing on offense and their bullpen had a very solid season last year and could fall a long way .....

I think its pretty tight either way at 76 wins....:shake:
 
the Mets did a huge thing in getting bullpen help, but i'm not sold on Oli Perez. That dude pitches great against good teams, but when he plays bad teams (which is a pretty good amount of the time) he seems to struggle and it makes no sense.

...i'm not sure he's dependable, but i agree that Pelfrey was the best fade early in the year (other than Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy) and turned into a great play later
 
Just stack RH's vs Ollie and if he is not in a groove he is likely to struggle . Which is why he probably does well vs Philly, (my Yankees) and FLA if I recall because both teams were very LHB orientated but especially Philly. Which only got worse in that category ...


<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. Lefthanded Batter</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>3.66</TD><TD align=right>30</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>51.2</TD><TD align=right>28</TD><TD align=right>22</TD><TD align=right>21</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>16</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>63</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>.158</TD></TR><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. Righthanded Batter</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>4.43</TD><TD align=right>34</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>142.1</TD><TD align=right>139</TD><TD align=right>78</TD><TD align=right>70</TD><TD align=right>19</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>89</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>117</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>.258</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>




<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. LA-A</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>6.00</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>6.0</TD><TD align=right>9</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>.360</TD></TR><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. Mil.</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>6.55</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>11.0</TD><TD align=right>13</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>9</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>.289</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. NY-A</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1.84</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>14.2</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>12</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>.120</TD></TR><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. Sea.</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>9.00</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>5.0</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>.350</TD></TR><TR class=bg4 align=left><TD>Category</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>CG</TD><TD>SHO</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>SVO</TD><TD>INN</TD><TD>H</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>HR</TD><TD>HBP</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>IBB</TD><TD>SO</TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>CS</TD><TD>PK</TD><TD>BK</TD><TD>WP</TD><TD>AVG</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. Tex.</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1.29</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>7.0</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>.130</TD></TR><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. Atl.</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>3.72</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>19.1</TD><TD align=right>17</TD><TD align=right>9</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>11</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>17</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>.246</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. Chi-N</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>10.38</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>4.1</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>.333</TD></TR><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. Cin.</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>3.75</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>12.0</TD><TD align=right>9</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>14</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>.214</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. Hou.</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>5.84</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>12.1</TD><TD align=right>12</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>11</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>.261</TD></TR><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. LA-N</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>7.50</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>6.0</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>.261</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. Was.</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>8.62</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>15.2</TD><TD align=right>20</TD><TD align=right>15</TD><TD align=right>15</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>9</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>14</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>.313</TD></TR><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. Phi.</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0.35</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>26.0</TD><TD align=right>17</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>11</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>27</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>.181</TD></TR><TR class=bg4 align=left><TD>Category</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>CG</TD><TD>SHO</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>SVO</TD><TD>INN</TD><TD>H</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>HR</TD><TD>HBP</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>IBB</TD><TD>SO</TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>CS</TD><TD>PK</TD><TD>BK</TD><TD>WP</TD><TD>AVG</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. Pit.</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>10.80</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1.2</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>.286</TD></TR><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. S.D.</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1.69</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>5.1</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>.211</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. S.F.</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>162.00</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0.1</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>.833</TD></TR><TR class=bg3 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. Col.</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>4.09</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>11.0</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>14</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>9</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>.222</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=15><TD align=left>vs. Fla.</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>2.23</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>36.1</TD><TD align=right>23</TD><TD align=right>10</TD><TD align=right>9</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>19</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>38</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>.180</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


:shake:For UMPIRE stalkers ...Estabrook was an under guy at one point ...
Afterward, he said he thought home plate umpire Mike Estabrook was squeezing him. "Sometimes you get mad, but you have to continue to focus and make pitches. ... I'm mad at myself," Perez said. "I was not making the first-pitch strikes."
 
giggity whats happenin man? saw that the new stadium may pass players were excited. we shall see what happens

Not much, just getting ready for the season to start. So happy the stadium got passed. Concrete pouring begins in 3 months, hopefully when they start that it will be impossible for them to go back. There are definitely flaws to the deal but I will take whatever I can to keep the fish around.
Can't wait to watch these pitchers this year. Josh Johnson for Cy Young. :bow:
 
The bullpen strength is the trouble here imo... They will relentlessly blow winnable games and rob great performances by the SP. Lindstrom throws hard as hell, but he doesnt stay healthy for long... He already aggravated something in ST...Look for the attrition to hit their pen... Besides that, I like the marlins offense..

:cheers:

Marlins BP will be a mess to start the season:

Florida Marlins' bullpen positions still in doubt

With only 17 days to go until Opening Day, the Marlins' relief roles still are being worked out.

BY CLARK SPENCER

<!-- begin /production/story/credit_line_format.comp --> cspencer@MiamiHerald.com

<!-- end /production/story/credit_line_format.comp --> KISSIMMEE -- Don't ask Logan Kensing to come up with a list of the seven names he believes will form the Marlins' bullpen. Like pretty much everyone else, Kensing is clueless.
''If you can name the bullpen right now, you're better off than I am,'' said Kensing, who is contending for one of the spots.
With just 17 days left before Opening Day, the composition of the bullpen is anyone's guess.
Mark Wiley, when asked to describe the bullpen situation at the moment, rolled his eyes to indicate sarcasm as he replied: ``Really good.''
Injuries have taken a toll on part of the relief staff. Uncertainty surrounds the rest.
Closer Matt Lindstrom is on the shelf with rotator cuff inflammation.
Setup man Scott Proctor is idled with loose scar tissue in his surgically repaired right elbow.
If Lindstrom isn't ready to go April 6 when the Marlins kick off the season against the Washington Nationals, the Marlins are expected to hand the ninth-inning role to Leo Nunez.
SOME UNCERTAINTY
Last time Nunez logged a save in pro ball? It was 2006, at Triple A Omaha (Neb.).
''I think there's a lot of uncertainty, more question marks than usual,'' said Kensing, who is marking his fifth spring training with the Marlins at the major-league level. ``Usually you come into camp and you know six of the seven [relievers who will make up the bullpen].''
But what already was a difficult task -- projecting the bullpen -- got even tougher when Lindstrom and Proctor fell by the wayside, even if temporarily.
Nunez is a lock. And Renyel Pinto would appear to have the edge for one of the two bullpen openings for lefties. After that, it gets tricky.
Taylor Tankersley, Dan Meyer and nonroster invitee John Koronka are in the mix to determine the other left-hander spot.
''That's a battle royale,'' Kensing said.
Of that group, Koronka has had the best spring, allowing one earned run in six relief outings. But Koronka has received most of his action as a starter during his 11 pro seasons.
Meyer has allowed two runs in his five outings this spring, and Tankersley has struggled, giving up 11 earned runs in seven appearances.
The picture isn't any clearer with the right-handers.
Kensing is among the group of leading candidates that also includes Kiko Calero, Frankie De La Cruz, Carlos Martinez, Ryan Tucker and -- assuming they don't jump into the fray for a rotation spot -- Burke Badenhop and Rick VandenHurk.
''There's no definitive line where I can put guys,'' Kensing said. ``Plus, we have two guys hurt now, with Stormy [Lindstrom] maybe being on the shelf and Proctor probably being on the shelf. That's two spots that are open that weren't open before.''
Wiley said the customary time in spring training to ''work on things'' for pitchers has passed.
''They're more in a show-me process at this point,'' Wiley said. ``Somebody's got to post up. We're looking for some people that we can establish a bullpen. But we've got a few guys we think can fit in well, and everybody else is kind of in the same boat, being critiqued every time they go out there.''
NO INJURY CONCERNS
Wiley isn't concerned with the injuries to Lindstrom and Proctor, even if neither is ready to start the season.
''There's no rushing,'' Wiley said. ``We want to make sure the guys are right, and we're not going to rush anybody in to anything.''
What does concern Wiley -- annoys him -- has been the failure this spring of his pitchers to throw strikes.
He said he will likely address the staff on that specific issue in a pitchers-only meeting.
''Everybody's going to have a bad outing now and then,'' Wiley said. ``But when you're walking people, and you're pitching behind all the time, and you're a left-hander and you're not getting left-handers out, we're looking at that pretty strong.
``I don't think it matters to us who posts up. We just want somebody to do it.''
 
Not much, just getting ready for the season to start. So happy the stadium got passed. Concrete pouring begins in 3 months, hopefully when they start that it will be impossible for them to go back. There are definitely flaws to the deal but I will take whatever I can to keep the fish around.
Can't wait to watch these pitchers this year. Josh Johnson for Cy Young. :bow:

The marlins dolphins and canes will be happy when the concrete pours. Josh has been dealing just dont think the defense will help him enough to win one. lets hope we can figure out who to slide in that 2 hole.
 
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