Andy Dalton
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Gorgolon Lives
The Reverend of CTG
Let's see the breakdown of the contract first. I assume this will look something like Kap's deal.
JumpOnBoard
CTG Partner
JumpOnBoard
CTG Partner
I sure hope it's a pay as you go like Kaep's...if it is I'm fine with it
Gorgolon Lives
The Reverend of CTG
Looks like a good deal
Updating a previous item, the actual value of Andy Dalton's six-year extension is $96 million with a $12 million signing bonus.
He also gets a $5 million roster bonus in three days. The guaranteed money is just $17 million -- the roster bonus and Dalton's signing bonus. Dalton was already under contract for a little over $1 million this year, so across seven seasons the base value of his new contract is essentially $97.09 million -- $13.87 million annually. Dalton can earn another $19 million through escalators, per PFT. People, on Twitter, at least, freaked out about the initially-reported worth, but this is going to end up being a front-loaded, team-friendly deal.
Updating a previous item, the actual value of Andy Dalton's six-year extension is $96 million with a $12 million signing bonus.
He also gets a $5 million roster bonus in three days. The guaranteed money is just $17 million -- the roster bonus and Dalton's signing bonus. Dalton was already under contract for a little over $1 million this year, so across seven seasons the base value of his new contract is essentially $97.09 million -- $13.87 million annually. Dalton can earn another $19 million through escalators, per PFT. People, on Twitter, at least, freaked out about the initially-reported worth, but this is going to end up being a front-loaded, team-friendly deal.
orangemonk
Creep - Dee oh double gee
yeah nothing wrong with that deal at all.
JumpOnBoard
CTG Partner
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[h=1]Dalton gets $17 million now, $22 million through early March[/h]Posted by Mike Florio on August 4, 2014, 2:14 PM EDT
APNo, Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton’s contract isn’t worth $115 million over six years, as others have reported. The base value, per a source with knowledge of the details, is $96 million over six years.
That doesn’t mean it’s time to have a bake sale for Andy Dalton. Still, that’s a $19 million gap between initial reports and reality.
The most important numbers are the numbers fully guaranteed at signing. Dalton receives a signing bonus of $12 million and a roster bonus in three days of $5 million. That’s a total of $17 million out of the gates. Coupled with his $986,000 base salary (which isn’t guaranteed as a legal matter but it is as a practical matter), Dalton will make $18 million in the first year of the deal.
Then, on the third day of the 2015 league year in March, Dalton earns a $4 million roster bonus. He also has a $3 million non-guaranteed base salary in 2015. That’s $25 million over two years.
Dalton passed on the opportunity to load injury-only guarantees into the contract, since the Bengals would have wanted Dalton to buy a disability policy similar to the one that the 49ers had Colin Kaepernick buy as part of his six-year extension. The policy cost $2 million in pre-tax dollars, and (as we’ll explain in a separate post) creates a bizarre donut hole of protection for the player and the team.
The rest of the base deal is simple. In addition to annual workout bonuses of $200,000, Dalton has base salaries of $10.5 million in 2016, $13.1 million in 2017, $13.7 million in 2018, $16 million in 2019, and $17.5 million in 2020.
Unlike the Kaepernick deal, which loaded up the base value artificially and then used de-escalators based on playing time and team or personal achievements, Dalton’s deal potentially goes up, not down.
If in any year he participates in 80-percent of the regular-season snaps and the Bengals get to the divisional round of the playoffs (via wild-card win or bye), he gets another $1 million in each additional year of the deal. If he qualifies at any point for the conference title game (with 80-percent playing time in the regular season), another $500,000 flows into the base value of the deal, for each additional year. If he wins a Super Bowl he won’t be driving off in a Hyundai; Dalton will get another $1.5 million per year for each remaining year of the deal.
So if the Bengals win the next Super Bowl this year and if Dalton participates in 80 percent of the regular-season snaps in 2014, he’ll get another $18 million over the life of the deal, pushing the new-money average from $16 million per year to $19 million. Getting to the divisional round this year pushes the new-money average to $17 million.
The contract nevertheless remains, like Kaepernick’s, mostly a year-to-year proposition, with Dalton being guaranteed as a practical matter two years and $25 million. That’s a lot more than he would have made over the next two seasons if he’d played out his rookie deal and then been slapped with the franchise tag. Beyond 2015, however, it’s a one-year-at-a-time existence no different than Kaepernick’s.
For most NFL players, that’s how it now works. And if teams are going to insist on disability policies payable to the franchise in the event of a serious injury, the franchise quarterback is better off forgetting about injury-only guarantees, buying the policy, and making it payable to himself.
The contract shows that the Kaepernick structure is taking root. That won’t change until a franchise quarterback hits the market, a franchise quarterback signs a deal in lieu of going year-to-year under the franchise tag, or the Seahawks opt to giveRussell Wilson a more favorable structure if only to highlight that Seattle treats its core players more fairly than the 49ers do.
P-Unit
Beacon of Calmness
lmfao
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Jeff Risdon @JeffRisdon <small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> 3m</small>
Last two years, Andy Dalton has 9 games with QB Rating >100 and 3+ TDs. Andrew Luck has one. Not saying, just sayin'...
Last two years, Andy Dalton has 9 games with QB Rating >100 and 3+ TDs. Andrew Luck has one. Not saying, just sayin'...
guaranteeed
Pretty much a regular
Gruden was holding him back
he's going off this year
he's going off this year
detroit187
Pretty much a regular
gonna go out on a limb here, he will see 17 mill of this and thats it
tru
Friend of CTG
Thought gruden was a good offensive coach, red rocket didn't fit into grudens system that good or what?
twinkie13
In transit, arriving late.
:rofl:
guaranteeed
Pretty much a regular
I think he was below average, finished 17th in the league DVOA 3 straight years with all the weapons they have
and before people blame Dalton the passing was way ahead of the running, he's not an elite QB but he's better than what Gruden's gonna have now
Cinci offense will be better with Hue this year than with Jay Gruden last few years
guaranteeed
Pretty much a regular
depends on Griffen's health, if he can't create with his legs (not just running but buying time in the backfield) I'd rather have Dalton
but either way, the weapons Cinci has are better than Washington's either way
I'd take that offense over Washingtons based on personnel, regardless of health
but either way, the weapons Cinci has are better than Washington's either way
I'd take that offense over Washingtons based on personnel, regardless of health
P-Unit
Beacon of Calmness
How many playoff games has he won again?
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Lareux
Guest
Dalton takes the blame solely for these? They don't get to the playoffs without him. He was pretty bad last year in their playoff game, BUT had two fumbles inside the 10 from his teammates, did he not? They score when they were about to and last year is a completely different game and outcome. You can't always blame things on the QB in a team sport like football.
That's also the easiest cop-out argument...how many playoff games has he won. Sure, playoff wins matter, but then when a guy wins a couple/few playoff games then the people switch it to "how many SBs has he won?....like clockwork. These guys get paid for what they do in the regular season as much, if not more, than what they do in the playoffs. Only one team wins the SB each year, so anyone, in 29 other cities, could ask how good their QB really is, or does he deserve the money he gets paid after each year when they don't win the SB.
P-Unit
Beacon of Calmness
Look at his stats on those games. He rightfully deserves MOST (not all) of the blame.
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[TD]2011[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]17[/TD]
[TD]2012-01-07[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]24-070[/TD]
[TD]CIN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]@[/TD]
[TD]HOU[/TD]
[TD]L 10-31[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]*[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]27[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]42[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]64.29%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]257[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]51.4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.90[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]17[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.67[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
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[TD]2012[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]17[/TD]
[TD]2013-01-05[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]25-068[/TD]
[TD]CIN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]@[/TD]
[TD]HOU[/TD]
[TD]L 13-19[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]*[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]30[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]46.67%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]127[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]44.7[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.23[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.73[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.75[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD]2013[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]17[/TD]
[TD]2014-01-05[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]26-068[/TD]
[TD]CIN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD]SDG[/TD]
[TD]L 10-27[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]*[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]29[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]51[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]56.86%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]334[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]67.0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.55[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.18[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]26[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.20[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
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[TD]3 Games[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]
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[TD]0-3-0[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]70[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]123[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]56.91%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]718[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]56.2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.84[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.80[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]58[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.83[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
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JumpOnBoard
CTG Partner
He has a higher completion rate and ypg then flacco in the playoffs lol...
he was awful last year vs SD no doubt...that whole game was a disaster though...good Andy is pretty damn good...it's the bad Andy games that have to disappear...when he's not protected and goes bad he really falls off...needs to be more consistent going forward...
but he has won 30 games in first three seasons, one of only three guys...they had to extend him....
he was awful last year vs SD no doubt...that whole game was a disaster though...good Andy is pretty damn good...it's the bad Andy games that have to disappear...when he's not protected and goes bad he really falls off...needs to be more consistent going forward...
but he has won 30 games in first three seasons, one of only three guys...they had to extend him....
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Lareux
Guest
You can give the blame to whomever you'd like. That really wasn't even my overall point....
Doesn't change the fact that "how many playoff games has he won" is a lame, lazy question to ask.
Show the stats all you'd like too, I agreed that he was horrible in the 2nd half of last year's game...BUT, Gio doesn't fumble as he's scoring and the Bengals are up at least 10 at the half and the 2nd half is a completely different animal....one that wouldn't have seen him throw 3 picks since he probably would have been handing it off more than not. So, if they win that game, and all he does is hand off in the 2nd half, so his stats don't look that good....you can't make the "did he win a playoff game" line, but in reality how much would he really have had to do with the win?
It's just like bashing Romo because he hasn't won in the playoffs....fine. That has nothing to do with what they get for contracts, that's quite evident from the contracts that keep getting rewarded. Asking how many playoff wins a guy has is just pointless.
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Lareux
Guest
No, Dalton is NOT Peyton Manning, I'm not even suggesting he is. BUT, this works every single time...
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[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD]1999[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]17[/TD]
[TD]2000-01-16[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]23-298[/TD]
[TD]IND[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD]TEN[/TD]
[TD]L 16-19[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]*[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]42[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45.24%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]227[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]62.3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.40[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.40[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]22[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD]2000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]17[/TD]
[TD]2000-12-30[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]24-281[/TD]
[TD]IND[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]@[/TD]
[TD]MIA[/TD]
[TD]L 17-23[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]*[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]17[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]32[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]53.13%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]194[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]82.0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.06[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.69[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-2.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TH="class: tooltip, colspan: 9"][/TH]
[TH][/TH]
[TH="class: bold_text, colspan: 9, align: center"]Passing[/TH]
[TH="class: bold_text, colspan: 4, align: center"]Rushing[/TH]
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[TR="class: thead"]
[TH="class: ranker sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting, align: center"]Rk[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: left"]Year[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: right"]G#[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: center"]Date[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: center"]Age[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting, align: left"]Tm[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: center"][/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: center"]Opp[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: left"]Result[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]GS[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Cmp[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Att[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center"]Cmp%[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Yds[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]TD[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Int[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center"]Rate[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center"]Y/A[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center"]AY/A[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Att[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Yds[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center"]Y/A[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]TD[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD]2002[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]17[/TD]
[TD]2003-01-04[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]26-286[/TD]
[TD]IND[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]@[/TD]
[TD]NYJ[/TD]
[TD]L 0-41[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]*[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]31[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45.16%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]137[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]31.2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.42[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.52[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]
Peyton Manning's first 3 playoff results.
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[TH="class: ranker sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting, align: center"]Rk[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: left"]Year[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: right"]G#[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: center"]Date[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: center"]Age[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting, align: left"]Tm[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: center"][/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: center"]Opp[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: left"]Result[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]GS[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Cmp[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Att[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center"]Cmp%[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Yds[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]TD[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Int[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center"]Rate[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center"]Y/A[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center"]AY/A[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Att[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Yds[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center"]Y/A[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]TD[/TH]
[/TR]
</thead><tbody>[TR]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD]1999[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]17[/TD]
[TD]2000-01-16[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]23-298[/TD]
[TD]IND[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD]TEN[/TD]
[TD]L 16-19[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]*[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]42[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45.24%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]227[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]62.3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.40[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.40[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]22[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: thead over_header"]
[TH="class: tooltip, colspan: 9"][/TH]
[TH][/TH]
[TH="class: bold_text, colspan: 9, align: center"]Passing[/TH]
[TH="class: bold_text, colspan: 4, align: center"]Rushing[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="class: thead"]
[TH="class: ranker sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting, align: center"]Rk[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: left"]Year[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: right"]G#[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: center"]Date[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: center"]Age[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting, align: left"]Tm[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: center"][/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: center"]Opp[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: left"]Result[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]GS[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Cmp[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Att[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center"]Cmp%[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Yds[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]TD[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Int[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center"]Rate[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center"]Y/A[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center"]AY/A[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Att[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Yds[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center"]Y/A[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]TD[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD]2000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]17[/TD]
[TD]2000-12-30[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]24-281[/TD]
[TD]IND[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]@[/TD]
[TD]MIA[/TD]
[TD]L 17-23[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]*[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]17[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]32[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]53.13%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]194[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]82.0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.06[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.69[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-2.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: thead over_header"]
[TH="class: tooltip, colspan: 9"][/TH]
[TH][/TH]
[TH="class: bold_text, colspan: 9, align: center"]Passing[/TH]
[TH="class: bold_text, colspan: 4, align: center"]Rushing[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="class: thead"]
[TH="class: ranker sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting, align: center"]Rk[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: left"]Year[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: right"]G#[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: center"]Date[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: center"]Age[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting, align: left"]Tm[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: center"][/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: center"]Opp[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: left"]Result[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]GS[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Cmp[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Att[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center"]Cmp%[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Yds[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]TD[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Int[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center"]Rate[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center"]Y/A[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center"]AY/A[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Att[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]Yds[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip hide_non_quals, align: center"]Y/A[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]TD[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD]2002[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]17[/TD]
[TD]2003-01-04[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]26-286[/TD]
[TD]IND[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]@[/TD]
[TD]NYJ[/TD]
[TD]L 0-41[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]*[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]31[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45.16%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]137[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]31.2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.42[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.52[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.00[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]
Peyton Manning's first 3 playoff results.
P-Unit
Beacon of Calmness
I get that, but I guess my question becomes --- why does the OC keep putting the "cuffs" on him in the playoffs if he clearly can handle it in the regular season? Is it on the coaches because they call a very different game in the playoffs vs. regular season or do they just not trust him under pressure?
It's clear that they have drastically changed how they approach playoff games vs. regular season and the results speak for themselves. His play in those games is the most dramatic difference IMO. Hence, the obvious questions that come with it.
twinkie13
In transit, arriving late.
the Flacco deal is 10 million times worse, anyone knows that
QBS are getting paid I get it....
This year will tell what is what.....NFL deals are always worse(not Flacco's) than they seem....but still I think he is like a less talented Romo
Just picks the worst time to shit bed
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Lareux
Guest
It could be on the coaches, especially in this case wouldn't you say? What is Marvin Lewis' record in the playoffs now? 0-5?
Wave88
Pretty much a regular
The issue is that the team is capable of so much more. Looking at the roster across the board, the only thing standing between them and a Super Bowl is strong QB play. Not sure Dalton can get the job done.
That being said, they don't have a viable alternative right now and structured Andy's deal appropriately.
Gorgolon Lives
The Reverend of CTG
If Dalton doesn't have AJ Green, he's not good. So many balls he chucks up and AJ comes down with. AJ is an elite talent who is unstoppable. He has made Dalton's career. Andy should hand over a few million to AJ, who is due for his own new contract very soon.
Gandolf
Leader of the Van Buren Boys
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Lareux
Guest
Haha, yeah I know he's won a game...the fact that he did makes the comparison better imo. If Dalton had won 1 playoff game in the past 3 years, guys wouldn't be like "oh, he deserves that contract, he has a playoff win." They would simply say "he's only won 1 playoff game, looked bad in the other 2, and hasn't been to the SB." It's a never-ending "but he's only done this" until a guy wins a SB. That's why I just think it's a lazy argument, especially in a team sport like football.
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